This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B1_01C0FB0F.882E22A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I got over 30 replies to this message. Many thanks to all who replied. = I'm afraid there are too many to list individually. About 70% suggested I go with a Sun Blade 100, an inexpensive UltraSPARC = IIe based system. The basic model has 500 MHz processor, 128MB RAM, 15BG = 7200rpm IDE disk, CDROM, comes pre-installed with Solaris 8 and costs = less than $1000. The systems can easily be expanded to 2GB mem (standard = PC133 memory will work, although its not qualified/supported by Sun), = There is room for an additional internal disk. The consensus amongst = those who added more storage was to use an IBM or WD disk as the disk = supplied is slowish and noisier than normal. A standard PC monitor can = be connected. A SunPCi card can be added to run Windows apps and the = system is 64bit which may be important later. An added advantage is that = there is a one year on-site warranty (in Ireland) to give added peace of = mind.=20 On the downside, they will ony run Solaris 8 and they are considered = slow due to the IDE disks. There's not much room for expansion and = there's no SCSI. Of those who didnt have a Sun Blade 100, home systems ranged from an SS4 = to an Ultra 30 with various add-ons procured along the way, like SCSI = controllers, additional CPU's and external disk packs. In general most = people seemed happy enough in terms of reliability and performance of = these systems, but it has to be remembered that as the older systems = approach their end-of-life cycle, replacements and spares will be harder = to come by. Additionally, the older architectures will not run Solaris 8 = and later.=20 A few also suggested the Netra X1. Some of the links provided were: http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade100/ http://sunblade100.wells.org.uk http://www.usedsun.com http://www.ebay.com http://auctions.sun.com http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah/ http://www.sun.com/netra/netrax/X1/ http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org http://sunhelp.org http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_hardware/hwref0.html http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org/ http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/sparc_compare.txt ftp://www.cs.toronto.edu/pub/jdd/spectable http://www.crucial.com/uk/index.asp In summary, the Sun Blade 100 looks like a good buy, considering you can = expand it with PC ram, IDE disks and a standard pc monitor, resulting in = an impressive desktop unix system for less than $2000. Thanks again, John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Maguire=20 To: sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Sun system for home use Hi Managers, Can someone point me to resources on the web, or share your = experiences, on low end Sun systems - comparison of hardware specs, = capabilities, pitfalls, etc. The idea here is to get an inexpensive system for home use.=20 I've found a local reseller (Ireland) of refurbished systems and I = wonder is it worth buying a refurbished SS10 or SS20 for example. Would an Ultra1 or similar be a better buy. I want to do some = experimenting with Disksuite so I need capacity for more than 1 disk. Note: I've considered but I'd rather not to go along the x86 route. Any thoughts appreciated. Will simmarise. Thanks, John ------=_NextPart_000_01B1_01C0FB0F.882E22A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I got over 30 replies to this message. = Many thanks=20 to all who replied. I'm afraid there are too many to list=20 individually.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>About 70% suggested I go with = a Sun Blade=20 100, an inexpensive UltraSPARC IIe based system. The basic model has 500 = MHz=20 processor, 128MB RAM, 15BG 7200rpm IDE disk, CDROM, comes pre-installed = with=20 Solaris 8 and costs less than $1000. The systems can easily be expanded = to 2GB=20 mem (standard PC133 memory will work, although its not = qualified/supported by=20 Sun), There is room for an additional internal disk. The consensus = amongst those=20 who added more storage was to use an IBM or WD disk as the disk supplied = is=20 slowish and noisier than normal. A standard PC monitor can be connected. = A=20 SunPCi card can be added to run Windows apps and the system is 64bit = which may=20 be important later. An added advantage is that there is a one year = on-site=20 warranty (in Ireland) to give added peace of mind. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>On the downside, they will ony run = Solaris 8 and=20 they are considered slow due to the IDE disks. There's not much room for = expansion and there's no SCSI.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of those who didnt have a Sun Blade = 100, home=20 systems ranged from an SS4 to an Ultra 30 with various add-ons procured = along=20 the way, like SCSI controllers, additional CPU's and external disk = packs. In=20 general most people seemed happy enough in terms of reliability and = performance=20 of these systems, but it has to be remembered that as the older systems = approach=20 their end-of-life cycle, replacements and spares will be harder to come = by.=20 Additionally, the older architectures will not run Solaris 8 and later.=20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A few also suggested the Netra = X1.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some of the links provided = were:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade100/">http://www.sun.com/deskt= op/sunblade100/</A></DIV> <DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://sunblade100.wells.org.uk">http://sunblade100.wells.org.uk<= /A></DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://www.usedsun.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://www.usedsun.com</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://www.ebay.com">http://www.ebay.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://auctions.sun.com">http://auctions.sun.com</A></FONT></DIV>= <DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah/">http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah= /</A></DIV> <DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://www.sun.com/netra/netrax/X1/">http://www.sun.com/netra/net= rax/X1/</A></DIV> <DIV><A = href=3D"http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org">http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org</A></DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://sunhelp.org">http://sunhelp.org</A></FONT><FONT = face=3DVerdana=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D463321917-21062001></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D463321917-21062001><A=20 href=3D"http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_hardware/hwref0.html">http://w= ww.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_hardware/hwref0.html</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D463321917-21062001><A=20 href=3D"http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org/">http://faqaboss.sunhelp.org/</A></S= PAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D463321917-21062001><A=20 href=3D"http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/sparc_compare.txt">http://www.obso= lyte.com/sunFAQ/sparc_compare.txt</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D463321917-21062001><A=20 href=3D"ftp://www.cs.toronto.edu/pub/jdd/spectable">ftp://www.cs.toronto.= edu/pub/jdd/spectable</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff><SPAN class=3D463321917-21062001><A=20 href=3D"http://www.crucial.com/uk/index.asp">http://www.crucial.com/uk/in= dex.asp</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D463321917-21062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D463321917-21062001>In=20 summary, the Sun Blade 100 looks like a good buy, considering you can = expand it=20 with PC ram, IDE disks and a standard pc monitor, resulting in an = impressive=20 desktop unix system for less than $2000.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D463321917-21062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D463321917-21062001>Thanks=20 again,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D463321917-21062001>John</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D463321917-21062001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Djohn_maguire@e-merge.ie = href=3D"mailto:john_maguire@e-merge.ie">John=20 Maguire</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dsunmanagers@sunmanagers.org=20 = href=3D"mailto:sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org">sunmanagers@sunmanagers.org</= A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 21, 2001 = 10:29=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Sun system for home = use</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Managers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can someone point me = to resources on the=20 web, or share your experiences, on low end Sun systems - = comparison of=20 hardware specs, capabilities, pitfalls, etc.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The idea here is to get an=20 inexpensive system for home use. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've found a local reseller (Ireland) = of=20 refurbished systems and I wonder i</FONT><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>s=20 it worth buying a refurbished SS10 or SS20 for example.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would an Ultra1 or similar be a = better buy. I=20 want to do some experimenting with Disksuite so I need capacity for = more than=20 1 disk.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Note: I've considered but = I'd rather not to=20 go along the x86 route.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any thoughts appreciated. Will=20 simmarise.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>John</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_01B1_01C0FB0F.882E22A0--Received on Fri Jun 22 11:36:09 2001
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