Thanks for the responses to my questions. I have not had a chance to
pursue any of the solutions suggested, but I have had a few requests for
a summary so here it is. If I get more info I will post a second summary later.
The responses were divided into:
8 requests for a summary
Info received
POP+IMAP / POP3 / PC-pine - Unix-pine
cc:Mail SMTP gateway - say no - Use unix CC:Mail
Use cc:Mail SMTP gateway on a dedicated PC
charon + pmail / cc:mail + charon
user cc:mail pack for sun / SMTP gateway
Mercury SMTP
I've included the full texts below as they are not long.
I'll be trying out some of these in the near future and I'll keep you all
posted ;-)
John
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Engineering Network Administrator johnpar@rosemount.com
Fisher-Rosemount Limited MCI john d parker
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My original question:
> From john Wed Dec 22 16:53:46 1993
> From: John Parker <john>
> To: uk-sun@cl.cam.ac.uk, sun-managers@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk
> Subject: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
> Cc: john, davemac@rosemail.rosemount.com, jaychri@rosemail.rosemount.com
>
> I have a problem...
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> Sun 4/360 running 4.1.1 with Sun Sendmail
>
> |
> |
> bridge
> |
> |
>
> PC running CC:Mail on Novell with PC/TCP
> ______________________________________________________________
>
> The Sun is on a thin ethernet along with other Suns, and PC's running
> PC-NFS.
>
> The PC is on a 10baseT net running Novell (IPX)
>
> The PC above is able to telnet to the Sun and pings work fine in
> both directions.
>
>
> THE QUESTION
> ============
>
> I would like to be able to have two way email traffic between the
> two machines. What do I need to do?
>
> I am after a low cost solution.
>
> I know about the CC:Mail SMTP gateway product, and CC:Mail for Sun,
> but there must be a way to set up a simple gateway between the two systems
> I have running now.
>
> -----------
>
> I have a copy of Charon, but I need to understand more about CC:Mail
> before I can work out if Charon helps!!
>
> (I come from the Sun side of the bridge, so all this PC stuff is
> a bit of a mystery!)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> John
>
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Requests for info received:
> From: roland@netcom.com (Paul Roland)
> From: xc@miro.site-maisons-alfort.fr (xavier.cauchoix)
> From: djiracek@jupiter.fnbc.com (Dan Jiracek)
> From: haukur@althingi.is (Haukur Arnthorsson)
> From: jvictor@aule-tek.com (Jeff Victor)
> From: russ@prin.ebasco.com (Russ Bebb - 452-0130)
> From: wassman%disney.donnelley.com@uunet (Sue Wassman)
> From: mos@e.KWL.CHKRA.abb.com (F.-J. Moser - ABB Power Generation Ltd )
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Info received:
> From fetrow@biostat.washington.edu Thu Dec 23 04:09:33 1993
> From: Dave Fetrow <fetrow@biostat.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
> To: john
>
>
> Two of the more common solutions are:
>
> POP and IMAP (IMAP is a superset of POP but it's a little unstable
> yet)
>
> CC:Mail should handle POP3. Archie can show you were to find
> servers.
>
> An alternate solution is drop cc:mail and move to pc-pine and Unix pine.
> These are multimedia mailers, MIME compliant ones no less, available
> for free from ftp.cac.washington.edu....along with IMAP.
>
> It's the nicest character-based interface you are likely to see. CC:mail
> is committed to support MIME in the near future.
>
> MIME can also be backfitted onto Elm and other mailers.
>
> --
> -dave fetrow- INTERNET: fetrow@biostat.washington.edu
> FAX: 206-543-3286 BITNET: fetrow@uwalocke
> From mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au Thu Dec 23 04:09:35 1993
> To: John Parker <john>
> Cc: davemac@rosemail.rosemount.com, jaychri@rosemail.rosemount.com
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> From: Mark Prior <mrp@itd.adelaide.edu.au>
>
>
> The short answer is no there isn't a simple way to do it, you need a
> gateway to convert cc:Mail's brain dead mail protocol into something
> remotely useful.
>
> The cc:Mail SMTP gateway is "crap" and we gave up on it since it runs
> on a PC and can only cope with one message at a time (it refuses
> connections when processing an existing message which means that mail
> piles up pretty damn quickly). If the SPARCstation version of cc:Mail
> includes this functionality (or if it can be purchased separately)
> then it might be usable but Lotus don't do MIME. We are now using PMDF
> on a Vax (but that of course presupposes that you have a Vax lying
> about). I have heard that Innosoft (who make PMDF) are developing PMDF
> for Unix but I expect release of that is some way off.
>
> Mark.
> Postmaster @ Adelaide University
>
> From rickn%copley.com%ma@uu2.psi.com Thu Dec 23 10:33:33 1993
> From: "Richard J. Niziak" <rickn@copley.com>
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
> To: John Parker <john>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
>
> You need the SMTP gateway product and a DEDICATED PC
>
> ##########################################################################
> +
> Richard J. Niziak +
> Sr. UNIX Systems Engineer + e:mail -> rickn@copley.com
> Copley Systems + land mail -> Copley Systems, Inc
> + 165 University Ave
> + Westwood, MA 02090
> + voice mail -> (617)320-8300 x305
> +
> ##########################################################################
> From larry_chin%cchtor.cch.com@mail.uunet.ca Thu Dec 23 15:08:58 1993
> From: Larry Chin <Larry_Chin@cchtor.cch.com>
> To: john
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
>
> I faced something of the same dilemma that you are now embroiled in and
> found it better to either go with the proprietary smtp gateway (
> WordPerfect in this case ) or switch to a mailer that worked with
> charon ( pmail - also PD software and better than any commercial
> product IMHO ).
>
> That said, you probably need to stick with cc:mail, from the sounds of it.
>
> If cc:mail can be configured to pick up mail from the place that charon
> stores it on the novell server, then you can use charon as your mail
> gateway. If cc:mail cannot be configured thusly, you will have to go
> with one of the cc:mail alternatives that you mentioned.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Thu Dec 23 06:51:39 EST 1993
> ================================================================================
>
> Larry Chin {larry@cchtor.cch.com} CCH Canadian Ltd.
> System Administrator 6 Garamond Court
> Research and Development North York, Ontario.
> (416) 441-4001 ext. 349 M3C 1Z5
>
> ================================================================================
> From rott@cclink.logicon.com Thu Dec 23 15:09:05 1993
> From: rott@cclink.logicon.com (Ott, Randy)
> To: John Parker <john>
> Return-Receipt-To: rott@cclink.logicon.com (Ott, Randy)
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
>
> I don't know your cc:Mail setup on the PC, but we have PC's and Sun's
> sharing the same cc:Mail post office. The PO resides on the Sun. All
> sun's mount the PO via NFS and the PC's mount the PO (as drive M:)
> using PC-NFS. All you'll have to do is buy a user pack for the Sun.
>
> This will ONLY work if ALL of your PC's can mount the sun post office
> directory. If this is not the case, you could install a separate PO
> on the sun, and then run cc:Mail router on the PC which has access to
> the sun. This would allow you to route email between the two systems.
>
> A third cc:Mail solution is to buy the SMTP mail gateway, and then run
> sendmail on the sun.
>
> A non-cc:Mail solution would be to buy Sun's SelectMail, which is basically
> sendmail for the PC. There also may be some public domain PC sendmail
> mail clients for PC's out on the net, but I'm not sure. However, if
> your entire PC network is running cc:Mail, this wouldn't be a very good
> solution.
>
> Hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> +----------------------------+---------------------------------+
> | Randy J. Ott | ROtt@Logicon.COM (Internet) |
> | Logicon, Inc. | Randy Ott at LSIS-BEL (cc:Mail) |
> | 1408 Fort Crook Road South | (402) 291-7750 (Voice) |
> | Bellevue, NE 68005 | (402) 291-2503 (Fax) |
> +----------------------------+---------------------------------+
> From rott@cclink.logicon.com Thu Dec 23 15:09:07 1993
> From: rott@cclink.logicon.com (Ott, Randy)
> To: John Parker <john>
> Return-Receipt-To: rott@cclink.logicon.com (Ott, Randy)
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail (more info)
>
> One neat thing about the cc:Mail for Unix solution is that it will
> automatically import/export Unix sendmail mail for each Unix user,
> as well.
>
> Another possible solution (albeit rather expensive): turn your PC
> into an X-terminal (we use HCL-eXceed/W) and run Sun's mailtool
> on your PC! I think this product runs about $350.
>
> +----------------------------+---------------------------------+
> | Randy J. Ott | ROtt@Logicon.COM (Internet) |
> | Logicon, Inc. | Randy Ott at LSIS-BEL (cc:Mail) |
> | 1408 Fort Crook Road South | (402) 291-7750 (Voice) |
> | Bellevue, NE 68005 | (402) 291-2503 (Fax) |
> +----------------------------+---------------------------------+
> From koert@ice.nl Tue Dec 28 04:01:40 1993
> To: john
> From: Koert Gielen <Koert.Gielen@ice.nl>
> Subject: Re: Sendmail <-> CC:Mail
> X-Pmrqc: 1
>
> Hi,
>
> Try the Mercury SMPT stuff.
> It runs as a couple of NLM's on a Netware 3.11 server.
> It has at least the same functionality as Charon and it is easier to
> configure. I Don't know how to download it but this is the Internet
> address of the author (David Harris): david@pmail.gen.nz.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Koert Gielen
> ICE Engineering
>
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